論語The Analects of Confucius

論語The Analects of Confucius

Book 11: 《先進》 Xian Jin (Former Eras)

《先進》 Passage 11.24

季子然問:「仲由、冉求可謂大臣與?」子曰:「吾以子為異之問,曾由與求之問。所謂大臣者:以道事君,不可則止。今由與求也,可謂具臣矣。」曰:「然則從之者與?」子曰:「弒父與君,亦不從也。」

Legge Translation (1861)

Ji Ziran asked whether Zhongyou and Ran Qiu could be called great ministers.

The Master said: "I thought you would ask about some extraordinary individuals, and you only ask about You and Qiu!

What is called a great minister, is one who serves his prince according to what is right, and when he finds he cannot do so, retires.

Now, as to You and Qiu, they may be called ordinary ministers."

Ziran said: "Then they will always follow their chief; — will they?"

The Master said: "In an act of parricide or regicide, they would not follow him."
Word by word 47 terms · glosses and Anki cards
  1. 季子然 jì zǐ rán

    Ji Ziran, a member of the Ji clan who questions Confucius about his followers

    • 季 surname Ji, in the name Ji Ziran
    • 子 honorific element in the personal name Ziran
    • 然 second syllable of the given name Ziran
  2. 問 wèn

    to ask, inquire

  3. 仲由 zhòng yóu

    Zhong You, courtesy name Zilu (the disciple Zilu)

    • 仲 Zhong, the surname of the disciple Zilu (Zhong You, 仲由)
    • 由 You, given name of the disciple Zilu
  4. 冉求 rǎn qiú

    Ran Qiu (the disciple Ran You)

    • 冉 Ran, surname of the disciple Ran Qiu
    • 求 Qiu, given name of the disciple Ran Qiu
  5. 可謂…與 kě wèi … yú

    could...be called...?, interrogative frame querying whether a title or status applies

    • 可 can, could, may (modal of possibility)
    • 謂 to call, term, describe as
    • 與 interrogative final particle
  6. 大臣 dà chén

    great minister, a minister of the highest rank and full moral responsibility

    • 大 great, of the highest rank
    • 臣 minister, court official
  7. 子曰 zǐ yuē

    the Master said

    • 子 the Master, referring to Confucius
    • 曰 said
  8. 吾 wú

    I, me

  9. 以…為 yǐ … wéi

    to think, suppose, expect, regard (X as Y)

    • 以 to regard, take (something) as
    • 為 to be, to count as, in a regard-as construction
  10. 子 zǐ

    you (second-person pronoun, addressing Ji Ziran)

  11. 異 yì

    different, out of the ordinary, extraordinary

  12. 之 zhī

    particle marking the fronted object of 問: 異之問 = 問異, 'ask about someone out of the ordinary' (or, attributively, 'an extraordinary question')

  13. 問 wèn

    a question, a matter one asks about

    Several translators supply a concrete noun (individuals, people, things) in place of the abstract 'question' this word literally names.

  14. 曾 céng

    instead, as it turns out (contrary to expectation)

    曾 is the adverb of unexpected fact, read zēng; 朱熹 glosses it 乃, 'and yet it turns out'. It is not the name syllable of 曾子, nor céng 'once'.

  15. 由 yóu

    You, given name of the disciple Zilu

  16. 與 yǔ

    and (coordinating conjunction)

  17. 求 qiú

    Qiu, given name of the disciple Ran Qiu

  18. 之 zhī

    particle marking the fronted object of 問: 由與求之問 = 問由與求, 'ask about You and Qiu'

  19. 問 wèn

    a question, a matter one asks about

  20. 所謂…者 suǒ wèi … zhě

    that which is called, the so-called (frame introducing a term to be defined)

    • 所 nominalizing element: that which (forms 所謂, 'what is called')
    • 謂 to call, term, describe as
    • 者 nominalizing particle: the one(s) that, that which
  21. 大臣 dà chén

    great minister, a minister of the highest rank and full moral responsibility

    • 大 great, of the highest rank
    • 臣 minister, court official
  22. 以 yǐ

    by means of, according to (coverb marking method or standard)

  23. 道 dào

    the Way, the proper moral principle and method of conduct

    Legge and Roberts translate interpretively ('what is right', 'our teachings and ideals') rather than literally as 'the Way'.

  24. 事君 shì jūn

    to serve one's ruler, lord

    • 事 to serve
    • 君 ruler, lord
  25. 不可 bù kě

    cannot, not able to, i.e. when one's counsel is not accepted

    • 不 not
    • 可 able to, permitted to
  26. 則止 zé zhǐ

    then stops, resigns, desists from office (the consequent of the preceding condition)

    • 則 then, marking the consequent of a conditional
    • 止 to stop, resign, desist from office
  27. 今 jīn

    now, as for the present case

  28. 由 yóu

    You, given name of the disciple Zilu

  29. 與 yǔ

    and (coordinating conjunction)

  30. 求 qiú

    Qiu, given name of the disciple Ran Qiu

  31. 也 yě

    topic-marking pause particle

  32. 可謂 kě wèi

    can/may be called, considered

    • 可 can, could, may (modal of possibility)
    • 謂 to call, term, describe as
  33. 具臣 jù chén

    a mere functionary minister, one who merely fills out the ranks

    • 具 mere, filling out the number, functionary
    • 臣 minister, court official

    Contrasted with 大臣: a 具臣 fills the post but lacks the moral independence to serve by the Way alone and resign if refused.

  34. 矣 yǐ

    final particle marking assertion of a completed or settled state

  35. 曰 yuē

    said, asked (speech-frame verb introducing direct quotation)

  36. 然則 rán zé

    that being so, in that case, then

    • 然 so, thus, that being so (in 然則)
    • 則 then, marking the consequent of a conditional
  37. 從 cóng

    to follow, obey, comply with

  38. 之 zhī

    it, them (object pronoun: what one is ordered to do)

  39. 者與 zhě yú

    nominalizing particle plus interrogative final particle: the type who...?, marking a yes/no question about a class of people

    • 者 nominalizing particle: the type who, those who
    • 與 interrogative final particle
  40. 子曰 zǐ yuē

    the Master said

    • 子 the Master, referring to Confucius
    • 曰 said
  41. 弒 shì

    to kill one's father or ruler, commit regicide or parricide

  42. 父 fù

    father

  43. 與 yǔ

    and, or (coordinating conjunction)

  44. 君 jūn

    ruler, lord

  45. 亦 yì

    even, also (emphatic, in a negated clause)

  46. 不從 bù cóng

    would not follow, would not obey, would not comply

    • 不 not
    • 從 to follow, obey, comply with
  47. 也 yě

    final particle of assertion

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