Book 11: 《先進》 Xian Jin (Former Eras)
《先進》 Passage 11.24
Legge Translation (1861)
Ji Ziran asked whether Zhongyou and Ran Qiu could be called great ministers.The Master said: "I thought you would ask about some extraordinary individuals, and you only ask about You and Qiu!
What is called a great minister, is one who serves his prince according to what is right, and when he finds he cannot do so, retires.
Now, as to You and Qiu, they may be called ordinary ministers."
Ziran said: "Then they will always follow their chief; — will they?"
The Master said: "In an act of parricide or regicide, they would not follow him."
Word by word
- 季子然 jì zǐ rán
Ji Ziran, a member of the Ji clan who questions Confucius about his followers
- 季 surname Ji, in the name Ji Ziran
- 子 honorific element in the personal name Ziran
- 然 second syllable of the given name Ziran
- 問 wèn
to ask, inquire
- 仲由 zhòng yóu
Zhong You, courtesy name Zilu (the disciple Zilu)
- 仲 Zhong, the surname of the disciple Zilu (Zhong You, 仲由)
- 由 You, given name of the disciple Zilu
- 冉求 rǎn qiú
Ran Qiu (the disciple Ran You)
- 冉 Ran, surname of the disciple Ran Qiu
- 求 Qiu, given name of the disciple Ran Qiu
- 可謂…與 kě wèi … yú
could...be called...?, interrogative frame querying whether a title or status applies
- 可 can, could, may (modal of possibility)
- 謂 to call, term, describe as
- 與 interrogative final particle
- 大臣 dà chén
great minister, a minister of the highest rank and full moral responsibility
- 大 great, of the highest rank
- 臣 minister, court official
- 子曰 zǐ yuē
the Master said
- 子 the Master, referring to Confucius
- 曰 said
- 吾 wú
I, me
- 以…為 yǐ … wéi
to think, suppose, expect, regard (X as Y)
- 以 to regard, take (something) as
- 為 to be, to count as, in a regard-as construction
- 子 zǐ
you (second-person pronoun, addressing Ji Ziran)
- 異 yì
different, out of the ordinary, extraordinary
- 之 zhī
particle marking the fronted object of 問: 異之問 = 問異, 'ask about someone out of the ordinary' (or, attributively, 'an extraordinary question')
- 問 wèn
a question, a matter one asks about
Several translators supply a concrete noun (individuals, people, things) in place of the abstract 'question' this word literally names.
- 曾 céng
instead, as it turns out (contrary to expectation)
曾 is the adverb of unexpected fact, read zēng; 朱熹 glosses it 乃, 'and yet it turns out'. It is not the name syllable of 曾子, nor céng 'once'.
- 由 yóu
You, given name of the disciple Zilu
- 與 yǔ
and (coordinating conjunction)
- 求 qiú
Qiu, given name of the disciple Ran Qiu
- 之 zhī
particle marking the fronted object of 問: 由與求之問 = 問由與求, 'ask about You and Qiu'
- 問 wèn
a question, a matter one asks about
- 所謂…者 suǒ wèi … zhě
that which is called, the so-called (frame introducing a term to be defined)
- 所 nominalizing element: that which (forms 所謂, 'what is called')
- 謂 to call, term, describe as
- 者 nominalizing particle: the one(s) that, that which
- 大臣 dà chén
great minister, a minister of the highest rank and full moral responsibility
- 大 great, of the highest rank
- 臣 minister, court official
- 以 yǐ
by means of, according to (coverb marking method or standard)
- 道 dào
the Way, the proper moral principle and method of conduct
Legge and Roberts translate interpretively ('what is right', 'our teachings and ideals') rather than literally as 'the Way'.
- 事君 shì jūn
to serve one's ruler, lord
- 事 to serve
- 君 ruler, lord
- 不可 bù kě
cannot, not able to, i.e. when one's counsel is not accepted
- 不 not
- 可 able to, permitted to
- 則止 zé zhǐ
then stops, resigns, desists from office (the consequent of the preceding condition)
- 則 then, marking the consequent of a conditional
- 止 to stop, resign, desist from office
- 今 jīn
now, as for the present case
- 由 yóu
You, given name of the disciple Zilu
- 與 yǔ
and (coordinating conjunction)
- 求 qiú
Qiu, given name of the disciple Ran Qiu
- 也 yě
topic-marking pause particle
- 可謂 kě wèi
can/may be called, considered
- 可 can, could, may (modal of possibility)
- 謂 to call, term, describe as
- 具臣 jù chén
a mere functionary minister, one who merely fills out the ranks
- 具 mere, filling out the number, functionary
- 臣 minister, court official
Contrasted with 大臣: a 具臣 fills the post but lacks the moral independence to serve by the Way alone and resign if refused.
- 矣 yǐ
final particle marking assertion of a completed or settled state
- 曰 yuē
said, asked (speech-frame verb introducing direct quotation)
- 然則 rán zé
that being so, in that case, then
- 然 so, thus, that being so (in 然則)
- 則 then, marking the consequent of a conditional
- 從 cóng
to follow, obey, comply with
- 之 zhī
it, them (object pronoun: what one is ordered to do)
- 者與 zhě yú
nominalizing particle plus interrogative final particle: the type who...?, marking a yes/no question about a class of people
- 者 nominalizing particle: the type who, those who
- 與 interrogative final particle
- 子曰 zǐ yuē
the Master said
- 子 the Master, referring to Confucius
- 曰 said
- 弒 shì
to kill one's father or ruler, commit regicide or parricide
- 父 fù
father
- 與 yǔ
and, or (coordinating conjunction)
- 君 jūn
ruler, lord
- 亦 yì
even, also (emphatic, in a negated clause)
- 不從 bù cóng
would not follow, would not obey, would not comply
- 不 not
- 從 to follow, obey, comply with
- 也 yě
final particle of assertion
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